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DW : I’m your host, David Wilcock, and I’m here with Corey Goode. This is a very interesting conversation that we’re having regarding the Secret Space Program. I want to emphasize once again that this material is highly controversial, and that you probably have not heard anything like this before unless you’ve been following what we’ve been talking about. I do want to make it clear one more time, that I have investigated this subject for many, many years. I’ve been in contact with insiders for over 20 years and I’ve spoken to dozens of people with different types of classified clearance. And my conclusion has been that there very much has been an industrialization of our Solar System and beyond, by what you could call the government or the military, depending on how you want to word this. So, Corey, it’s good to have you back again. And it seems like, from what you’re saying, the LOC, of Lunar Operation Command, is like the focal point for how Earth is then connecting out to the greater space Program and the cosmos in general. So, tell us a little bit more about the LOC. I guess, first of all, what does it look like as you’re flying into it?
CG: Well, you can tell it’s been built and added onto quite a bit since the ‘50s, It’s built into the craters and into the rocky area to where it blends in somewhat. Some part of it, is built into the rock. Very little of it is above ground.
DW: Oh! Okay.
CG: Most of it, I have not has access to. I have seen a diagram to where it is somewhat of goes into a bell shape further and further down you go and I’ve only have access to upper levels.
DW: So, even though it’s a bell shape, you don’t actually see the bell on the surface of the moon.
CG: No. It’s like looking down at the top of the bell or the tip of a pyramid. You just see the smaller top or the tip of the iceberg, I guess you would say. The rest is below and spreads out as it goes down.
DW : If there are this many craft going to and from the LOC and you say it’s on the dark side of the moon, how could it possibly have been kept secret from us? Couldn’t people with their telescopes see all these ships coming and going from the moon?
CG : People do see that. There’s actually another base on the back side of the moon that belongs to human beings. It belongs to one of the Secret Space Programs called Dark Fleet, that a lot of people see craft coming from. I can give more of a location of that one. If you’re looking at the moon, it’s at about 10:00 position. People have filmed and seen flurries and swarms of craft leaving and coming from that area quite a bit… amateur astronomers with video cameras hooked up to their telescopes. This is something that has been seen.
DW : Is there anything on the side of the moon facing us of interest, or is it all being kept on the back so that it’s less apt to be seen in the moon’s surface.
CG : Most of it is on the back. There are areas on the front side where craft come out and there are entrances. There are also areas that are, by ET groups, that are covered by a sort of hologram shielding that prevents us to see it. Most of it is on the back side of the Moon for obvious reasons, for those on the planet’s surface that are not meant to see the stuff, won’t see it.
DW : When was the LOC actually built?
CG : The LOC was built onto an existing NAZI facility that had been built in the latter part of the ‘30s and ‘40s.
DW : So, it goes that far back.
CG : That far back. Once the industrial might of the United States became involved, they really started putting a lot into it and built it out like crazy. They started really building in earnest, in the late ‘50s on it.
DW : Yeah, and I want to get a lot more into the history of the space program in some later episodes. For right now, let me ask you another question. If we had this all the way back in the ‘50s, then why did we do the Apollo missions? Why did we land on the moon? What was the point?
CG : There are various levels of programs. There are some in NASA, and there’s NASA equivalent military programs that are what they think, are the most cutting edge. And they think they are at the top of the totem pole as far as security clearances and “need to know” of what’s going on in the solar System.
And these people would literally get into fist fight with you were to challenge them and tell then they weren’t. So they’re … I guess the lie has many levels and the people at each level are told they are at the top. And it’s not the case, but they believe it, just as everything is completely compartmentalized. In each compartment, everyone think they’re doing the most important cutting-edge work and have the broadest knowledge and all other compartments and groups are below them.
DW : I guess if you can make someone feel special then they’re going to work harder because they think they’re the cream of the crop.
CG : Right, Hubris
DW : Yeah. Do you think, the Apollo missions was a money laundering operation?
CG : Very well could have been part of it, to channel a lot of that money into the Secret Space Program. The people that were running those programs on the lower level really believed in what they were doing and really thought it was cutting-edge and the highest technology we had.
DW : Do you think those employee could have had information withheld from them about how expensive what they were working on actually was?
CG : Oh yeah! They deceived on an intelligence and every… They were deceived on every levels.
DW : So do you think it could be maybe even only 10% as expensive as what they told us it was?
CG : That would be speculation. I would have no way to know, but…
DW : But it definitely could have provided “black cash” to develop out the Space Program even more.
CG : Yeah. Through all different ways… that drugs, all kinds of way they have of coming up with cash to build out that infrastructure in the beginning.
DW : Do you think that NASA knew anything interesting at all that we didn’t know in the mainstream about the moon?
CG : There was a lot that was discovered during the Apollo missions. In the beginning they discovered that it was not a real good idea to slam one of their landing modules into the moon to test the instruments they placed on the moon to check for moon quakes.
The moon is a very strict zone that is like a giant Switzerland. It is a very neutral zone and hitting it with that projectile was a very bad idea. And from what I read, they were warned not to come back.
DW : It’s strange that you would say that the moon is this neutral Switzerland type of area because it’s right next to the Earth. If it’s our moon, shouldn’t be our property and we get to have control over the moon?
CG : No.
DW : It doesn’t work that way?
CG : No. If you’ve seen, sort of, the maps of Antarctica, how it’s sliced up amongst all the nations. The back of the moon is that way, too. And all these different regions are pretty much owned and inhabited by different ET groups.
DW : Really?
CG : And there are some groups that have bad blood and have warred with each other going back many, many, many thousands of years, but they have installations that are just a couple of kilometers away from each other. And they have been there for many thousands of years, in peace.
DW : There’s a lot of moons in our Solar System, so why is the moon right next to Earth so important to these folks?
CG : It’s a perfect observation and area to leave, to come to the earth and back for doing their experiments.
DW : So a lot of what we could call extraterrestrials are not very far away and they’re coming and going from a place that’s actually right nearby.
CG : Exactly.
DW : Does this get back into what you were talking about in our previous episode, about the delegation with this so-called experiment where they were running these 22 different programs?
CG : Right. And all of the different ETs… this includes human-type ETs and the non-human-types, types that do not particularly like each other very much. There is some sort of diplomatic agreement about the moon. There is something very special about the moon being a very diplomatic neutral zone. None of them will violate that.
DW : So you’re saying in this Super Federation Conference, where you said there’s at least 40 different groups, they’re not all in agreement on what they’re doing. They all have their own programs or their…
CG : Own agendas.
DW : So these delegations were like a way of them kind of working out their arguments and finding common ground somehow?
CG : Right, not stepping on each other’s toes all the time with their different agendas.
DW : How could these groups that have warred with each other in the past possibly be able to tolerate each other’s presence on such a small – the moon is only 2,160 miles wide, so how could they tolerate that?
CG : It’s something that has been going on for thousands of years. They’ve set up this diplomatic neutral zone that not even the worst of them will violate. None of them will violate it. It just is not – It’s something that I’ve heard it say – it is not done.
DW : Is there some sort of enforcement, some sort of military that polices it or …
CG : It doesn’t have to be. It just – no one has to enforce it. It just isn’t done.
DW : Well, that would imply that in the past, something happened that was so horrible that they learned from their mistakes, I would think.
CG : Right. There’s areas on the moon where there’s a lot of debris from other battles and things from ancient times.
DW : They didn’t clean it up?
CG : No. They left it there as kind of a memorial, or a testament of what happened in the past. And the stuff is still there and it’s usually off-limits.
DW : So it might be like the idea of how silly the nuclear arms race is, where you’ve got two countries fighting over who’s got more nukes when even a small percentage of that arsenal would wipe out the whole planet.
CG : Yeah.
DW : So these folks would all wipe out each other out it they want to war because they probably have weapons that are much greater than nukes.
CG : Right. They can destroy entire planets.
DW : WOW. So, the LOC, is that just one small part of all the habitation that’s on the moon?
CG : Right.
DW : It’s not really a focal point, except maybe for us, for Earth?
CG : Right. It’s a focal point for human activity.
DW : So, other ET groups would have their own versions of the LOC for them, which would be like their focal point.
CG : Exactly.
DW : They’re not using our LOC as their focal point?
CG : No. No, no, no. I have not seen ETs at the LOC, other than when members of the Sphere Alliance have appeared.
DW : So real quickly, what is it like when you are in the LOC? Do they have apartments that you can go to once you get inside? Is it just wide open conference rooms and little chairs? What happens when you go inside?
CG : Well, until recently I had never been to the VIP area. I had always been to just the area to where they have kind of, not really small apartments, but small little dwellings to where it has two to four bunks. The halls are really narrow. You move over to the VIP area, the halls are wider, there’s wood paneling on the walls, like cherry-wood nice walls – very upscale. It’s a dramatic change when you go from one area to the VIP area.
DW : Could you wander around and try to find a restricted area, or do you have military escorts that lead you around. How does that work?
CG : Well, you’re allowed certain areas. There are marks, paint lines, on the floor that a different color that lead to different areas.
DW : So, if you were red, then you’d just walk, follow the red line to where it leads to?
CG : Right. And, like I said, I’ve only been… The top floor is where most of everything takes place. The next two floors were the medical and some other more advanced medical stuff take place. I have never been further down than those.
There are some people recently that have been taken on a tour that have gotten to see a lot more than I have.
DW : One of the thing that obviously is the most interesting to folks is the idea of an alliance. So, we covered that briefly, but I’d like to sort of, sketch-out for us in more detail. What is the alliance? Was it there at the beginning of the Space Program or did it form later on, and what are their goals, that kind of stuff.
CG : The alliance, it kind of formed slowly over time. The Solar Warden was more of a group that was dated back to the SDI era and a little bit earlier.
DW : Strategic Defense Initiative.
CG : Right.
DW : Star Wars.
CG : Back in the late ‘70s, ‘80s, and they were getting upgrades up into the early ‘90s. But they were pretty much more of the aging fleet.
DW : What was the Solar Warden’s original responsibility?
CG : They policed the Solar System from intruders and…
DW : That would be groups that are not part of these 40 that are the Super Federation?
CG : Right. And also somewhat of a space-traffic control, air-traffic control. They took care of that.
DW : Could some ET group just interfere and invade with vastly superior weapons and technology? I mean, how could a group from the ‘80s be able to police our Solar System against potentially anybody that could try to invade here?
CG : Well, they wouldn’t have been able to hold their own with a large invasive force, but most of the groups that passed through were only in maybe one to a handful of vessels. There are so many different groups that pass through our area.
DW : And, I would guess it’s sort of like gang warfare, where the 40+ ET groups that sort of, claimed this as their turf, with whatever level of technology that they have, they’re also going to defend their “home turf” from an invasion.
CG : Right.
DW : So, Solar Warden is not necessarily meeting a tactical force. They’ve not having a weapons-up fighting stance when you say they are policing the Solar System – or are they?
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